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Top 250 RPGs: 160-151


On 05/29/2013 at 08:31 PM by SgtDawkins

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I’ve played more RPGs than you.  That isn’t an insult; you may consider it a compliment if you wish.  I’m not necessarily proud of the fact, honestly.  If I could get a girl to talk to me, I wouldn’t tell them I’ve played so many role-playing games.  Maybe I would.  Is that the kind of thing they like talking about?  Anyway, because I’ve played more RPGs than you, I’m in a unique position to tell you which ones are the best, and which ones are 161st best.  Hint: there are six games that are the 161st best.  But honestly, I like to write about RPGs, so here is a list if you like that sort of thing.

160) Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (SNES)-  NOT the worst console Final Fantasy game.  A strange RPG experiment whereby Square decided that Americans were too stupid and impatient to enjoy the longer, more complicated games they were releasing by the boatfull in Japan.  As such, there is no true world map, but a series of hotspots where you fight a set number of enemies or enter towns or whatever you might do in a real RPG.  Your party consists of the main character and a single story-dictated partner, so battles aren’t exactly strategically complex.  The game is simple to the point of being insulting- if you are expecting a full-fledged grown-up RPG.  If, however, you go in with the understanding that this is a unique (whatever the reasons) role-playing hybrid that is meant to ease newcomers into the genre, then you should have a pretty good time with it.  But then again….. Americans didn’t get Bahamut Lagoon, but we got this.  We didn’t get Fire Emblem: Genealogy, but we got this.  For god’s sake- we didn’t get Terranigma, but we got this!  Fuck you Square.

159) Tales of Phantasia (SNES)-  The game that started the series of anime-inspired RPGs that is still going strong today.  I consider this series to be analogous to movie Summer blockbusters- you turn your brain off and enjoy the action, because the story and characters are all recycled from more complex titles.  That doesn’t make the series bad, just unoriginal.  Anyway, Phantasia, I think, was a pretty big deal when it was released- it was a cart with extra memory for all the graphics and stuff.  It wedded the RPG format to action-based battles, and topped it off with a generic storyline and generic anime characters.  It isn’t much to look at (or play, for that matter) right now, but imagine yourself back in 1995, waiting eight months between Brain Lord and Chrono Trigger.  You would’ve played this game- admit it!

158) Shining Force CD (Sega CD)-  Ooof, I don’t have much to say about this one.  And what I do have to say isn’t very positive.  This is a repackaging of the Game Gear Shining Forces, so you can see how inspired it is right there.  And a repackaging of Game Gear games happens to be good enough to put it in the top five RPGs on the Sega CD.  Were there more than five RPGs on the Sega CD?  I can answer that question, and the answer is Lunar, Lunar 2, Vay, Shining Force CD, Dark Wizard, Popful Mail (not really an RPG), Dungeon Explorer (not really an RPG).  Unlike its Genesis predecessors, this game lacks any significant exploration, and I miss it.  I like exploring.  But despite the game’s simplicity, it isn’t a total loss.  Games that clock in 158 on this countdown are worth a try once you have played all those other games that you’d rather be playing.


More of the same.  Play one of the others instead.

157) Ephemeral Fantasia (PS2)-  Introducing an element of time travel into an otherwise mediocre game can make me play said game way longer than I would have otherwise.  Case in point here.  There is nothing about this one that is particularly noteworthy, save the time loop mechanic, whereby you repeat the same couple of days over and over again, changing things incrementally until you are able to solve the mystery of the awesomely named villain Zelpherpolis.  For my money, at least, there is nothing more interesting than figuring out time-based puzzles, using foreknowledge of events to change the future.  It’s awesome, and despite a fairly shitty RPG built around it, Ephemeral Fantasia earns its stripes by doing things that few games before it (or after it) have matched.


Forgot to tell you- the main character's weapon is a talking lute.

156) Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits (PS2)-  Another one that’s sort of just there.  It’s not a bad game by any stretch, though I wouldn’t recommend it unless you’ve cleared out your backlog and you are looking for something competent to occupy your time for a little while.  The battle music is weird and good; give it a listen using the link below…..  Here’s the thing- I have a countdown of the top 250 (or so) RPGs.  By top 250, I mean every single RPG I’ve ever played.  The bottom thirty or so are pretty bad.  When you get close to 200, they get a little better, but they still aren’t titles I’d recommend.  This game is number 156, which means that’s it’s an all right game, nothing wrong with it, it was playable and even a little enjoyable back in the day.  But as you’ll see if you’ve read my stuff before, a lot of these middle games are really forgettable.  Seriously- did you remember this game even existed?  Maybe because it’s Arc the Lad, and for whatever reason, you really dig that series- then maybe this one rings a bell.  But it’s like Shining Tears or the Musashi sequels of the Glory of Heracles games…. relics that were out of date and forgotten two years after they were released. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CdNF410qsU

155) Lufia and the Fortress of Doom (SNES)-  By the time this game was released, the first vestiges of RPG-fatigue were sweeping across the land.  Well, for me anyway.  I didn’t blindly accept every single generic RPG that was thrown at me; I started noticing similarities between games and stopped thinking that any title where you gained levels and fought dragons was worth my time.  Lufia doesn’t do much beyond give you a role-playing game to play, and if you aren’t playing a role-playing game, then this one will do the trick.  Town, mountain pass, town, dark cave, town, tower, town, get a boat, lighthouse, town, ghost ship, etc……..  Lufia doesn’t stray from the formula, but it’s a competently made RPG, and it has its fans.  The prequel is superior in every way, so that’s the one you should pick up if you have the time.

154) Golden Sun (GBA)-  Camelot made a lot of nice RPGs back in the 16-bit days.  Shining in the Darkness, Shining Force, stuff with Shining in the title.  Golden Sun is also a nice title, using the same style of graphics that was their calling card years earlier.  It is a pretty basic RPG that, again, has a sequel that is so far superior that it almost renders this game moot.  The upshot to playing this one, however, is that when you are done, you are given the option to transfer your characters to the more expansive follow-up.  The story in Lost Years (the sequel) starts up directly after the ending of this one, making Golden Sun a game worth the meager amount of time necessary to beat it.  There’s the main reason this game isn’t ranked any higher- it’s super short.

153) Albert Odyssey (Saturn)-  This game brought nothing new to the table.  As a Working Designs release, you can expect an anime world with odd characters and an A+ translation.  And for Albert Odyssey….. that’s about it.  It is, as are many of the games at this point in the countdown, generic to the point of inspiring no loyalty.  It’s a JRPG, and you probably like those if you are reading this, but damned if you will remember a thing about it six months after you are done.  The Saturn had some nice RPGs, but this is probably the last (or close to the last) of those you should want to check out.

152) Dragon Quest II (NES)-  The WORST of the Dragon Quest games.  Not a bad game, but the only one I felt didn’t have a true hook.  The idea here was that the party was expanded from one to three, and the world is four times the size of the one in the first Dragon Quest.  The story is also expanded a bit, but as always, you aren’t playing DQ for the characters or story.  I remember when this was first released, I was thrilled to have such an expansive RPG; if I attempted to play this today, I’d be bored out of my skull.  Ah, the ravages of time.  There’s no reason to play this series in order- this is the last one that should be attempted.


Fooled you!  This is Dragon Quest III!  Admit you couldn't tell.

151) Secret of Evermore (SNES)-  This game was very confusing to me when it was released.  It looked a little bit like Secret of Mana, and it played a bit like Secret of Mana.  The title made it seem like a sequel to Secret of Mana.  Of course it wasn’t a true sequel at all, but a game running on the same engine that seemed to celebrate, of all things, American pop-culture.  Another one of those misunderstood games that never quite lived up to people’s expectations.  As for myself, I was never the biggest fan of Secret of Mana, so this game didn’t appeal to me on any of the levels that it should have.  It was also rather short, ending just when I thought things were getting good, or okay at least.  Not a bad game, but not one that I remember with much fondness.

This is apropos of nothing, of course.  I picked an arbitrary (round number) starting point.  Feel free to leave opinions.  For those of you who have seen my top 100, welcome back!  I planned on using this space to lampoon the absurdity of all my countdowns, but then I thought, "I'll write out my countdown instead!"  Old habits die hard, I guess.


 

Comments

Aboboisdaman

05/29/2013 at 08:51 PM

I played Lufia and Mystic Quest out of these. Mystic Quest is actually the only SNES game I own complete in the box lol. My cousin was obsessed with that game, and he didn't even like rpgs. It may not be the best FF by any means, but it surely does have some great music. The battle theme is by far my favorite out of all the FF games. It rocks! Cool

SgtDawkins

05/29/2013 at 10:01 PM

I was gonna mention the music, which is pretty damn good.  Do you know that I have over 600 NES games and 200 SNES games, but not one in the box with instructions.  So you've got me beat there.  :)

Super Step Contributing Writer

05/29/2013 at 09:55 PM

How you can tell I've played way less RPGs than you: I am at the Mercury Lighthouse in my file of Golden Sun. That took me ten hours apparently, and I therefore do not consider it short. lol

Technically though, don't there have to be more than six titles in 161st place to merit a list of 250? Or did I miss part of this list and a lot of them tied for that position? Undecided

SgtDawkins

05/29/2013 at 10:00 PM

I was being silly.  There can obviously be only one game in each position.  :)

I keep meaning to play the DS Golden Sun, but every time it's next on the list, I push it back, and then push it back again and again.....

The sequel is so much better than the original.  If you think the first one is long, you'll think the second one is gargantuan.  Neither, however, is long compared to a typical console RPG.

Super Step Contributing Writer

05/29/2013 at 10:12 PM

Well I figured you were being silly with multiple titles in 161st, but then you said there were only six which had me wondering. lol

And I have an aversion to JRPGs in general, which is why I think Golden Sun is long. Nothing against them, they're just not my style. I'm about the only one on this website with that aversion though, it would seem.

BrokenH

05/29/2013 at 10:26 PM

I loved Secret Of Evermore for it's lost suburbanite Earth-bound kind of charm! The fact my dog became a scruffy wolf during the caveman/medieval eras and a futuristic robo-pooch during the future era was just icing on the cake. No, it wasn't as great as secret of mana, but it was fun and even had some references to Final Fantasy 4. (which was Final Fantasy II on the snes over here.)

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 12:33 AM

I was never the biggest fan of Mana.  I remember Nintendo Power gushing over it, and since that was the only way to get any idea or whether or not a game was good, I was just dying to play it.

I liked it, but I realized while playing it through that I just wasn't feeling the "magic" the reviews purported.  Evermore was a slightly worse game than Mana, so it was even a tougher sell for me.  It was different, and people didn't appreciate it.  In another life, it's a game I love.

leeradical42

05/29/2013 at 11:08 PM

Well first off im not sure you have played more rpgs then me but if you have i would definitely. Give you a run for your money,lol with that said you really do write awesome reveiws and although i never buy a game based on a reveiw i probably would would based on your reveiw of course i trust your reveiws,  with that said i am going to tell you my top two rpgs of all time and see where they land on your list. My first rpg of all time would hands down be Ultima:Quest of the Avatar and my second would be The Legend of Zelda and of course its only my opinion, and by the way i would like you to do a reveiw of Tales of Vesperia that would be a good read.

BrokenH

05/29/2013 at 11:37 PM

Ultima: Quest Of THe Avatar ranks around 11th with me. That may seem "bad" but keep in mind I've played countless rpgs,mate. Regardless you are referring to the nes Quest Of The Avatar,right? I remember when Japan loved anything Ultima and did their on renditions of Ultima games before sending those versions here to the west. Quest Of The Avatar was spectacular for the time (had the virtue/moon phase systems & all) but I recall it being very expensive. Legend Of Zelda ranks a tad lower but again, this is out of hundreds of rpgs. These games are timeless classics in my opinion! (And a pox to anyone who says Zelda isn't an rpg,seriously! By that logic Ys isn't an rpg which is lunacy!)

I own Vesperia so at the very least I can do a retrospective on it. Up front I'll list it as one of the better 360 Jrpgs. I put it up there with Nier and we both know how I feel about Nier! (Embarrassingly I have not beat Vesperia yet but I got very far. What happened was I put it down awhile and when I came back I had forgotten some of the important intricacies of Vesperia's combat system. Feel free to flog me at your leisure!)

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 12:39 AM

What are the top 10?  Can't remember if you told me last year when I did the top 100.

I wouldn't ever criticize somebody for not finishing a Tales game.  They are like cotton candy- you enjoy it a good deal while consuming it, but don't feel any real push to finish the whole thing.

leeradical42

05/30/2013 at 02:14 AM

Dont feel bad i havent beat it yet either i did like you stopped playing it and forgot where and what i was doing, and you jnow how i feel about Neir i did a reveiw of it and gave it a great score, and like i replied below i got mixed up in exactly what you mean by the top rpgs cause when i played thoughs two and FFVII at the time the way i felt were the best but comparing them today no ither game captured that feeling of when i was pkaying the but as far as the best game up till now its most definetly Persona 4 & Skyrim and best srpg is a close tie with Tactics Ogre having a small edge iver FF Tactics.

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 12:37 AM

I liked Avatar back in the day.  I don't think it holds up today, but I remember being pleasantly surprised by it.  A lot of these old RPGs have charm, but are almost impossible to pick up and play because of various antiquated gameplay systems.  Imagine kids from this generation trying to play Avatar?  There was no direction, you could tackle towns and dungeons in just about any order.  There are so many things to do, it would drive them nuts.

I doubt I'll do a Vesperia review, only because I played it five or so years ago and I don't remember all that much about it.  I liked it, it's my second favorite Tales game after Symphonia, and my 57th favorite all-time RPG.  But those titles are pretty much all the same to me- I honestly can't remember the particulars of any of them.

BrokenH

05/30/2013 at 12:05 PM

leeradical

Vesperia is a very intricate and HUGE game. lol. In my youth I think I could have conquered it but now I'm an adult in my 30's it's difficult to devote everything I have into an rpg beyond a certain length.

Sgt. Dawkins

My top ten stay in flux as new rpgs are played BUT I think I can give you a rough idea,mate.

1. Final Fantasy 6 (Nostalgic reasons)

2. Kotor (C'mon, it's a Star Wars rpg and a great one at that!)

3. Chrono trigger (Big surprise I know,heh.)

4. Persona 4

5. Persona 3 Fes

6. Divinity II Dragon-Knight saga

7. Dragonage Origins (Must keep playing,hnnnnnh!)

8. Nier

9. Mass Effect 2

10. Secret Of Mana

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 02:00 PM

You saw my list on 1up, so you know there is some overlap into my top ten.  Namely Chrono Trigger and FFVI.  I love NiER.  I don't think it's that good a game.  But there is so much I love about it.  It's somewhere in my top 60, which is pretty high considering it's a list of 250.

Beerfan

05/30/2013 at 09:58 PM

I still use your top 100 list to find games that I haven't played.  I am not a huge fan of lists, but you brought a lot of original insight to each game on the list.  I really enjoyed it.

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 10:02 PM

I like every game on this particular list.  I don't love any of them.  Games at this point on this list aren't likely to be anybody's FAVORITES.  They all have good qualities, but aren't really transcendent.  And, you've got to admit that ToF isn't one of the better games in the series.

leeradical42

05/30/2013 at 02:02 AM

Ok so im confused now im talking about the best game you ever played, now when i firat loaded up Ultima at the time the feeling i had, and the fun i had playing this game has not been repeated since then now with that said as far as if i put a game in right now whats the best rpg it certainly wouldnt be that cause its not comparable to games of today, so as of right now my two favorite rpgs would be Persona 4 , Skyrim and Tactics Ogre which is an srpg but easily thoughs are the top rpgs i have pkayed to date now as far as the three best that i pkayee at the time it was Ultima,legend of zelda and vandal, hearts cause the feeling and fun i had with thoughs remain untouched as far as excitement etc hioefully you understand what im talking about lol,

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 07:43 AM

I was just saying how, while I like Ultima: Quest of Avatar, I feel like if I played it today that it would feel old.  The same thing if I were to play Dragon Quest or YS.  They lack features that (because they were released so long ago) we take for granted today.

My favorites are Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy X, Xenoblade Chronicles, Xenogears and Dragon Quest VIII.  So obviously I like the JRPGs best.  :)  And for the record, I have Tactics Ogre at 37 and Skyrim at 45 on my list.  Amazingly enough, I've never played Persona 4, but it's on the list of games I hope to get to in the next two years or so.

leeradical42

05/30/2013 at 02:18 AM

please pardon my spelling im typing on a tablet and my big fingers hit the wring letters and i cant edit the postTongue Out

Blake Turner Staff Writer

05/30/2013 at 11:46 AM

Wow. This is a big undertaking. Can't wait to see what the top 20 are! This was pretty amusing too though.

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 01:48 PM

Hopefully amusing for all the intended reasons.  :)

I did the top 100 over at 1up last year, but I may just reproduce it here to get some conversations going.  Don't wanna bore people to death either, but damned if I don't love RPGs and lists.

Blake Turner Staff Writer

05/30/2013 at 09:05 PM

Oh yeah! Pretty sure I read part of it, but missed most of it! I shall endeavor to keep up with this one!

Chunopo

05/30/2013 at 01:19 PM

GBA Golden Sun! love that game, but yeah your right, the sequel was better!

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 01:52 PM

I feel like the may have been able to fit both games on one cart.  The first one was like half a game, and the second one pretty much absorbs it, like Dragon Quest II absored Dragon Quest I.  

Needless to say, the second Golden Sun ranks much higher on my list.

Cary Woodham

05/30/2013 at 04:18 PM

I have a lot of respect for FF Mystic Quest, and Lufia 2 is definitely way better than the first one.

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 07:13 PM

I don't think Mystic Quest is as bad as some people think it is.  But a complex RPG it is not.

Cary Woodham

05/30/2013 at 08:42 PM

No it's really dumbed down.  BUT, if you look at old ads for Mystic Quest, Square didn't advertise it as anything but an entry level RPG, so it's not like they pulled the wool over our eyes.  Kids and novices need good games, too.  And you have to admit, the music in Mystic Quest was pretty good.

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 08:44 PM

I do admit it!  I don't think Square was deceiving anyone with the title; they dumbed it down on purpose.  You wanna know an instance where Square did lie to us?  When they sold those Final Fantasy IX strategy guides that required you to log on to their shitty website every time you wanted any question answered.  What a rip off that was!

Cary Woodham

05/30/2013 at 08:49 PM

Yes, the FF9 strategy guide was horrible! Blech!  At least the FF9 game was very good!

mothman

05/30/2013 at 06:57 PM

I loved Twilight of the Spirits it was the first Arc the Lad game I ever played and I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed it so much I bought the sequel. What a piece of shit that was.

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 07:12 PM

Haha.  We've all been there.  The Arc series peaked at two, and then saw diminishing returns.  Have you played the older ones?  Twilight was okay; it tried to say something with its story, which I respect.  And that battle music still kicks ass.

mothman

05/30/2013 at 07:36 PM

I have played the first one and 3/4 of the second one which I definitely liked a lot better. I never finished that one because I lost track of where I was supposed to go to continue the story and quit after a few hours of wandering, and talking to people all in vain. "Have you seen Carol Anne? Did she go into the light?" no wait that's not Arc The Lad. :D. I have the third but haven't played but a few minutes of it.

Matt Snee Staff Writer

05/30/2013 at 08:50 PM

damn dude, you should write a book on this.  I would buy it.

SgtDawkins

05/30/2013 at 08:59 PM

I'm actually published in psychology and math magazines that are all very, very (VERY) boring for people not interested in psychology or math.  Point is, I love writing, and video games (and baseball) are the things I love writing about.  I'm just happy to get positive feedback about this thing that I'm passionate about.  There are a lot of smart people here, and enjoy the repartee.  

When I'm teaching during the semester, I won't post on these sites because I really should be working on stuff for my students or on my research.  But I never stop writing, so I have this stockpile of "articles" I've written.  I just post one here every few days, and hopefully everyone enjoys them.

Anyway, thanks for the kind words, as always.  You've been here since the begining at 1up, and I appreciate it.  I'd love to officially write for a site or publish some of my writing at some point if enough people really enjoy it.

Matt Snee Staff Writer

05/30/2013 at 09:04 PM

well a lot of good video game books get published, as there's a market for it...  if u have other credentials that would help.  I would love to read a book about RPG's that had indepth criticism and history and stuff.  If i had the patience I would write it, but I don't. 

Beerfan

05/30/2013 at 10:02 PM

I like ToF and DQ2 a lot.  Also, I really enjoyed that Arc the Lad game too.  I don't know why, but I enjoyed the characters and the story.  The gameplay got pretty boring though.  I do understand why all of these are not in your top 100.  I would have ToF in mine, but I really like all of the Tales games.

smartcelt

06/01/2013 at 11:59 AM

You have played more RPG's than me by a long shot. Really like your picks for your top ten. I have,or am currently playing most of them. Nier is one I recently started on. Such a good game,don't know why more people get into it.

SgtDawkins

06/01/2013 at 04:57 PM

I mean, objectively, NiER is a shitty game.  The graphics are trash and it's basically one long fetch quest.  The story takes up maybe 10% of the actual playtime of the game.

But for god's sake, that 10% is so involving and immersive.  The world, while tiny and ugly, is alien and creepy and evokative in a way that many games attempt but never achieve.  The soundtrach is possibly the best of this generation.  The story is just interesting enough, but the final series of endings does something fantastic that hasn't (to my knowledge) been matched within the entire medium of video games.  A very memorable game, and I don't say that very often.

If I were rating this game based on graphics and gameplay, I would give it a 5/10.  But this game is so much more than the sum of its parts; I've never seen its like.

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