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Update: Dark Souls, Storm of Swords, and GoT strategy game


On 08/08/2013 at 08:17 PM by Michael117

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Gaming

I haven't been gaming as much as I usually do because I've been spending more of that time reading, but anytime I've powered up the Xbox it's been for more Dark Souls. After I beat the game last week I went right back for another playthrough. I created a new character and class. My first playthrough was with the Warrior class but I always played a light-armor character instead of a typical medium or heavy Warrior. At the start of my second playthrough I've picked the Hunter because you get a shield, sword, bow, and light armor right away which are my breads and butters for combat. Plus the stats are balanced early on in a way that allowed me to use pretty much all the weapons I want with minimal investment. I spent many of my early levels putting points into Intelligence, Faith, and Attunement because with this new character I want to be able to do basic magic, plus have the stats to use the Cursed Greatsword of Artorias once I finally build it later in the game. The sword is super powerful because the damage scales with more of your stats than other weapons, and it can kill ghosts which is convenient. My old Warrior character never got to use that awesome sword because all my mage stats were super low, and I didn't want to spend the hours it would've taken to farm for all the souls I needed to level those up.

I named my new character Meera after the character Meera Reed I like from A Song of Ice and Fire. Since I know all the workings of the game now I've been doing things differently than my first playthrough, completing areas in different orders, and finding all the equipment I know I want to use. Right now it's time to go into Blighttown to ring the second bell but I've been avoiding it for days, choosing instead to farm and waste time basically. I hate going down there and I think I'll need to put aside a few hours this weekend to slowly eek my way through again.

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Reading

I've started reading A Storm of Swords, the third book in the A Song of Ice and Fire series. I bought the box set of the first four a couple months ago. These books are really long so I thought I'd never have time to catch up to the Game of Thrones TV show, but at this pace I'll finish all four and be way ahead of the TV show before it comes around. The books have been fantastic, some parts are better than the show, but some parts of the show are better than the books. I'm obsessed with both by now it seems.

I've been trying to think about how I'd make a Game of Thrones video game if I got the opportunity at some point in my career. I'd want to make a big strategy game with some systems from games like Civilization and Total War: Rome II combined, with both real-time and turn based gameplay how Rome II does, and with a heavy emphasis on political, diplomatic, and logistical consideration systems.

You'd choose a House at the beginning of the game and there would be various victory conditions like in Civ, I'm not sure how I'd define defeat conditions, I haven't thought enough about that. Instead of having Domination be the easiest condition to accomplish it would be the most difficult and dangerous. The goal wouldn't necessarily be to become King on the Iron Throne, but it could be one possible outcome. Imagine your King or Lord dies in battle and the lesser Houses who swore fealty to you splinter and your army is lost. What if your Lady or Queen could marry into a new family and attain the Iron Throne even though you technically lost the war? What if your children survive and scheme their way to victory by becoming faithful wards of a victor's house and begin secretly poisoning key people, forging letters and sending them to other Houses to sow discord, or become part of an assassin's guild, or part of a marriage pact? I want those kinds of options to be focused on in the game since they're such a huge part of the books. You can lose obviously, but with some losses and tragedies there's a possible tree of paths you can take to pick yourself back up.

When players win victories and gather massive armies I want them to only grow more aware that it may all fall apart, and when players are in the gutters far from victory I want them to still feel like they can win their way back and get revenge on their foes. Maybe defeat conditions would have to involve your whole family being killed. If your castle gets sacked and the whole family gets put to the sword, game over, all your birds are gone with one stone. That's tragic, but makes sense in the series. A single game/match could conceivably go on for quite a long time and see many ups and downs. Not as conducive to multiplayer unless you want to play matches for days straight. Single-player-only is fine for me, but it's not great if this were to be a real game. People would want multiplayer in a game like this. It would be fun to see real players scheme against each other in a Westeros sandbox, so that would have to be present.

In the Game of Thrones universe, castle sieges rarely ever go well because most of the holds in the realm are near impenetrable (like the Eyrie and Storms End), and even the "weaker" castles can be difficult to take, (like Riverrun and Winterfell) possibly requiring months or even years of siege. In the series, war is never as simple as riding out into battle and winning. While you're on the battle march, families from across the realm could be sending one another messages and changing the landscape of alliances around you to ends that may benefit you or leave you surrounded and doomed.

Plus all the holds are separated by many leagues of distance. Armies are slow to move, they need supply columns, secure connections to resources and reinforcements, and you can always be surprise attacked by guerrilla fighters on your flanks. There's plenty of risk/reward and logistics to consider if you simply want to move and supply an army, let alone lead it to victory when battle finally comes. There's even more logistics and strategy to consider if you want to control the realm. Behind the scenes people are setting up marriage pacts, deceiving, scheming, changing loyalties, plotting assassinations, sending messenger ravens with carefully chosen words, and deciding whatever benefits them most short-term and long-term. Even if you're an experienced commander with a grand army, some clever person (or alliance of persons) could be two steps ahead of you and make your seemingly unstoppable power crumble in a way you never foresaw. There's a boon of ways to rise and fall in A Song of Ice and Fire and a game should reflect that.

It would be a dream to work on a good strategy game focused on Westeros, and let players tell their own stories in it. I believe it could offer gameplay that strategy fans would appreciate, and haven't quite seen before. I could imagine trying to fit Essos and its factions into the mix but that's an entirely separate continent and a whole new set of complexities that would be put aside for an expansion pack, if at all. It wouldn't be A Song of Ice and Fire if there weren't white walkers, free-folk from beyond The Wall, and dragons but I honestly haven't thought how they'd ever fit into the game. I've only been thinking about the systems and how to make a strategy game based around the Houses south of The Wall. After all, these are only ideas being spitballed so far.


 

Comments

Blake Turner Staff Writer

08/08/2013 at 08:37 PM

 Sounds like the game you want is this:

 

 I haven't played it yet, but I'm looking forward to instailling this mod!

Travis Hawks Senior Editor

08/08/2013 at 09:12 PM

I was going to suggest the same! Only heard about it on Idle Thumbs, so I can't vouch for it, though.

Blake Turner Staff Writer

08/08/2013 at 09:51 PM

I've been watching the series Rock Paper Shotgun has been doing on it, and it seems like it's really well done.

Michael117

08/08/2013 at 10:53 PM

Thanks guys! This is the first I've heard of that mod, it looks really cool. It has some of the ideas I was thinking of. They seem like they have a great attention to detail and the work they're doing on the gameplay is solid. I'd definitely like to play this mod.

Super Step Contributing Writer

08/08/2013 at 10:27 PM

Dammit, you're reading a giant series of tomes and I have yet to finish a book most people can finish in a few hours. I'm slipping. lol

Michael117

08/08/2013 at 11:02 PM

They've all been 800+ so far, Clash of Kings was 900+, but they're paced really well and the chapters aren't actually very long so it seems to kind of fly by lol. Are there some books you've been meaning to get to Joe? Do you have any preferences in genres?

Super Step Contributing Writer

08/09/2013 at 12:10 AM

Mockingjay is the one I want to read (end of Hunger Games trilogy). Otherwise, I don't get around to books very often, but I do want to read some non-fiction about the economy, cause I feel like I don't understand things well enough. However, I am sure I will read and write plenty in the upcoming months for the Master's, sooo ... 

leeradical42

08/08/2013 at 10:51 PM

Although i dont have time to read and play games i stick to playing games and im still playing DarkSouls i have a level 108 Heavy Warrior and just got done with Zens Castle which was a freaking nightmare lol, so it sounds like your ready for Dark Souls 2 huh!! Lol!! Oh and dont forget about the addon Artorias of the Abyss a must have expansion thats alot of new creatures, bosses and levels totally worth the $10.

Michael117

08/08/2013 at 11:05 PM

That place is really tough to navigate, especially the narrow walkways with swinging blades along the way. I hate those lol. The only bonfire you come across is deep in the fortress too, so you have to fight a long ways till you get to the checkpoint. Have you come across the tar pit at the bottom of the castle where there's a bunch of demons waiting?

asrealasitgets

08/09/2013 at 12:49 AM

I got to Anor Londo with a LV 50 Warrior. Where is a good place to farm level? Are you playing on XBOX or PS3?

Michael117

08/09/2013 at 04:11 PM

The game is built for farming to be an option to players and there's a variety of places that are great to farm for some different items. The best places I found to farm for souls in the early game is in Darkroot Garden right though the Artorias Crest Door. There's a mage, cleric, bandit, and thief that respawn and you can kill them then go back to the nearby bonfire to respawn them. You can get around 7.000 souls each run and it doesn't take very long.

The best place to farm souls later in the game is in Anor Londo. It takes longer but you can get more souls per run. Start at the first bonfire in the area where the firekeeper is leaning up against the wall. Go out into the nearby courtyard and kill the giants on both sides. There's two rooms on either side of the courtyard with three giants each. I use a bow to snipe them from a distance, but it depends on your playstyle, you can kill them however you think is more efficient. Then go down the spiral elevator, past the walkway where the bell gargoyle was. Let me point point out that farming in Anor Londo is best done once you've completed the area. Make your way up to the main cathedral and take out the two giants guarding the entrance. You can shoot all the giants in Anor Londo in the calf/shin below the knee for maximum damage. Inside the cathedral proper there's two bigger stone giants, kill them both with shots to the lower leg and they give you even more souls than the other giants. If you've beat the bosses of Anor Londo you can pass right through the boss room, go up either of the two elevators flanking the room, and there's a bonfire up above. Rest at it and it respawns all the giants you just killed, from there you can make your way back to the original firekeeper bonfire, killing all the giants along the way for more souls.

To maximize the amount of souls you can get, it's great to have the Covetous Silver Serpent Ring that's found in Tomb of the Giants right past the second bonfire and down on a hidden ledge by a body near the archer. The ring increases souls absorbed by 20%. Another item to have is the Symbol of Avarice helmet which you acquire by killing all the mimic chests in the game, there's six in the whole game and you're guaranteed to get one by the last mimic you find and kill. It increases soul drop by another 20%. With those bonuses I always get around 17.600 souls per run, one way. There's a giant blacksmith nearby in Anor Londo so I always have to a place to buy arrows, and arrows are cheap. Spend a few thousand souls and you can max out your 999 arrow capacity. As you farm the giants in Anor Londo they can also occasionally drop titanite chunks and whatever weapons and shields they have.

There's one thing that can totally keep you from farming in Anor Londo and you can screw yourself. If you kill Gwynevere and Gwyndolin, the sun goes away and there's twilight over the city and all those giants and enemies you were farming are gone forever. Attacking Gwynevere and finding the boss battle with Gwyndolin is totally optional and you can go the whole rest of the game without choosing to do that, therefore making Anor Londo a perfect place to farm for as long as you like.

Darkroot Garden and Anor Londo are my favorite places to farm souls and level up.

asrealasitgets

08/09/2013 at 04:31 PM

Thanks @Micheal117. 
I cleared out Anor Londo except for the Final Bosses there. They are assholes! I'm using Zeinhander with light armor.  I think leveling up a bit might give me an edge here.  I really don't want to waste 20K souls for the Dark Root Gate key, so I might have to run up and down Anor Londo with the giants I guess. I cleared The painted world, one of my fav levels here. I wish we could all play together coop. Would be so cool! But I'm on PS3.Cool

Michael117

08/09/2013 at 05:00 PM

No problem, one of the best parts of Dark Souls for me was interacting with the community. I was lucky to have really helpful DS veterans around to counsel with when I was having trouble. Chris Yarger and some others over at 1UP helped me figure out a strategy to get through the Anor Londo bosses back when I was going through it the first time, we should get him in here to talk about it with us. If you're interested here's an old Dark Souls Diary I wrote about Anor Londo and the final boss battle:

Dark Souls Diary 4

Ornstein and Smough are really difficult to fight together and I always equated the battle to running into a brick wall, and then trying to find any small crack in the wall that you can squeeze through. You said you went into Anor Londo with a Lv.50 Warrior right? You're probably a little bit over 50 now right? I went into the Anor Londo boss battle the first time with a Lv.80 Warrior character I think and it didn't help at all, they're brutal no matter what and it took many deaths for me to get my strategy right.

Since Ornstein does huge lightning damage it can be beneficial to use the Thunder Stoneplate Ring which increases lightning defense +50 pts. It could help to use any stamina recovery items like the Grass Crest Shield, Cloranthy Ring, green blossom consumable item, and the Mask of the Child. All those increase speed of stamina recovery and the effects all stack too. When I played the bosses I used the Ring of Favor and Protection which increases health, stamina, and equip load +20%, you get it if you rescued Knight Lautrec from a jail cell early in the game and followed his quest line, eventually killing him in Anor Londo right outside the boss area.

Even though I tried to equip all the best items I had, I still got destroyed a lot and it took a lot of shaking and baking to kill both the bosses. The pillars in the room are one of the things that saved my life. In the battle the big guy will crush pillars with his hammer simply through collateral damage. Try to separate them the best you can and fight them one at a time, and occasionally if there's a broken pillar in between you and one of them you can get a couple arrows off at them as they strike ineffectively at you but hit the pillar in between. That helped me at times.

asrealasitgets

08/09/2013 at 05:18 PM

I figured this boss fight had more to do with skill. I've killed them each individually, but after one of them becomes super powered, it just takes one hit and I'm done. I have a few of the items you mentioned. It'll just take time and patience. 

leeradical42

08/09/2013 at 07:04 AM

Actually im where the big towers at now where you fight the giant knights and hell im not sure what these otger creatures are theres a long stairway with archer shooting at you and the big round elevator im stuck cause these archers dont miss there deadly acurate theres a part where you have to walk on beams above the room im past that and i connected the draw bridge and theres a woman knight by the bon fire and im playing the 360 version i shouldnt need to farm for souls being that im on level 108 heavy warrior but there still whipping my butt lol!!

asrealasitgets

08/09/2013 at 04:38 PM

Do you mean the two snipers on the ledges? What I did is I ran directly from the bonfire with the knight past the bridge, ran past the two giant knights and all the white gargoyles then up the ramp with my shield up. As for the snipers, I ran up to the building ledge and walked towards the sniper on the right and swung at him with a two-handed sword and he fell. So I ran the whole thing just attacking the sniper on the right. Good luck! Cool

Also I was using the ninja/shadow gear and Eagle Shield w/ Zeinhander, so I was super light and nimble!

leeradical42

08/09/2013 at 05:18 PM

Im extremely slow i have yhe stone armour and the knights two handed sword so im slow but tough but i get rid of the kights easy just stand on the stairs and shoot them with arrows they wont move then the gargoyles on the platform i hit with arrows and they fall off but when i cross the first long ramp theres two gargoyles on each side and they both jump me and shred me but when i do get past that the snipers get me every time lol!!!

asrealasitgets

08/09/2013 at 05:25 PM

I started out with heavy armor, but I found the game easier when running around lighter and blocking, dodging and rolling. I think the sword is the only heavy item I have.

leeradical42

08/09/2013 at 05:28 PM

I may have to switch it up a little to get through here lol!!

Michael117

08/09/2013 at 05:31 PM

Rodney you're the definition of a tank lol. Are you wearing the whole Stone Armor set? I think that set looks really awesome. Have you come across Havel's Set in Anor Londo yet? I bet Havel's armor is something you'd probably be interested in, it's like the Stone Armor set but on steroids. Super high defense ratings and poise.

Michael117

08/09/2013 at 05:34 PM

Wait I lied, you find Havel's Set of armor in the Duke's Archives, nevermind.

transmet2033

08/09/2013 at 07:19 AM

The song of ice and fire series is far to large for my tastes right now.  I have been avoiding the wise man's fear because it is 1000 pages. 

Had I gotten to this earlier, I would have mentioned the crusader kings II mod.  I have not played it yet, but it sounds like it might be similar to what you are looking for.

Michael117

08/09/2013 at 04:24 PM

I haven't read either of the Kingkiller Chronicle books yet but I think I should try to get them. George RR Martin, the author of A Song of Ice and Fire, really loves those books so I bet they're cool. Wise Man's Fear is the second book in the trilogy right, and the third book is on the way? Have you read the first book, The Name of the Wind?

transmet2033

08/09/2013 at 06:13 PM

The Name of the Wind is the first book, and it is really good.  I have been meaning to read The Wise Man's Fear, but have had difficulty starting it.  I know that it will take me quite a while to finish it.  I also know that the third book is still a little ways away, so I do not feel pressured.  Shorter books that tend to be under 250 pages have been my bread and butter as of late.  The Stars My Destination, To You Scattered Bodies Go, and Neuromancer have kept me quite satisfied.

On a side note, I just picked up Dark Souls and hope to start it sometime soon.

 

 

Michael117

08/09/2013 at 06:24 PM

That's really cool, I think I'm going to go get The Name of the Wind then so I can read it and see if I can get into the series as well.

That's awesome you picked up Dark Souls, what platform did you get it on?

transmet2033

08/09/2013 at 10:59 PM

I got dark souls for the 360.  If I still had a ps3, I would have probably just stolen it back from my brother...  I think he still has that copy.  While I hear that there is some sort of multiplayer, I am currently pissed off at Microsoft, so I canceled my gold.  Luckily, I am prepared to die, alone.

Alex-C25

08/09/2013 at 09:10 PM

I already passed the half of A Clash of Kings and with dedication, i'll finish the book in no time. It's really an inmersive reading and it's exciting in every chapter because anything can happen and no one is safe. I think i'm already becoming a definitive fan of the saga.

Michael117

08/09/2013 at 11:17 PM

Clash of Kings was really good, Tyrion's chapters were always my favorite. Things get really crazy during the battle at the end of the book, it's a little different than what happens in the tv show and it's kind of crazier in my opinion. It's a wild battle and it's illustrated and described so well in the book. I'm a big fan of the series now that I have the first two books done and I'm in the third.

Alex-C25

08/10/2013 at 12:21 AM

I haven't gotten to the battle you are saying, but i'm getting there. The last chapter I read was when Cercei tried to threaten Tyrion by kidnapping what she thought it was his prostitute and then Tyrion just gave her a curb-stomp beat.

Ilegal or not, I need to find a way to watch Game of Thrones. Haven't seen the show and I keep hearing good things about it.

Ranger1

08/13/2013 at 02:49 PM

Haven't watched any of the GoT series, not having access to cable. George RR Martin has no idea where he's taking the series, and it shows in the later books. I gave up after the fourth one, and Jason was turned off by whatever the most recent book was. I figure if he didn't like it, I probably won't. The Name of the WInd is probably my favorite work of fantasy since American Gods. I haven't read the second one yet, I was waiting for it to come out in paperback. Another series I've really been enjoying is Cherie Priest's Clockwork Century. I have the first three books - they have it all: airships, pirates, steampunk inventions, zombies, good writing, action, adventure, interesting characters, fun alternate history.

Michael117

08/13/2013 at 07:04 PM

I've been hearing that same thing from some Song of Ice & Fire fans, the reception to the 5th book A Dance With Dragons has been very mixed. I'm 300 pages into the 3rd book, and I have the 4th book ready to read when it's time. I've enjoyed the series a lot so I hope George RR Martin can keep me into it.

I'm planning to give the Kingkiller Chronicle series a shot because people here have said good things about it. I'll read The Name of the Wind first certainly. I also want to see what the Farseer trilogy is all about and read The Assassin's Apprentice. I still have a ton of Larry Niven books to read in the Ringworld seres ever since I finished the first book. Amazon keeps recommending the Mistborn trilogy by Brandon Sanderson to me but I don't know what it's about, I'll have to do more research to see if I might want to get into those.

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