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Giving Zelda to From Software


On 05/11/2014 at 11:10 PM by Keegs79

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The Wii U has been in trouble for a long time. I believe there are multiple reasons. I believe one of the problems is the gamers that it doesn't attract. The games all lend themselves to that Nintendo quality. They don't have that third party support to back them up and I don't mean just with multiplatform games. I mean with unique IPs and more often, mature titles that would attract the audience that Microsoft and Sony has. What can be done by this? What could help push units for Nintendo?

Zelda

I have been a big fan of Zelda. I haven't been as big as most the last few generations but I still love Link. The franchise has been great because of level design in how they are puzzles are incorporated within it. It was always fun to explore within its worlds. The series has always had some unique creative bosses. The story for the most part has been pretty passive. It has some of these similarities with Demon's Souls/Dark Souls. What am I getting at? Yeah, to make it blunt, From Software need to make the next Zelda title.

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Nintendo has lent its IPs to many other developers such as Smash Bros, Metroid, and even Zelda in the past. Now the interesting thing is some of these similarities make it a smooth transition. Your probably think it’s too dark or too hard. These two things don't need to change but I do feel that to some extent they should be. Nintendo is no position to keep playing it easy. They should take risks. They did with Metroid by throwing it in First Person. I think having From Software take the reins is less of a risk and right now the popularity of Dark Souls is huge and would easily help the Wii U sale units. If they are going to continue to use their own franchises, they need to blend at least Zelda in with what people right now want and what Zelda fans can be happy with. I don't think all Zelda fans will like a transition. I don't blame them but it would do more good for Nintendo than it would for a minority of fans trolling their hate on boards.

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Think about it. The Dark Souls franchise is more complex but in a good way. You throw that in a Zelda title; with a darker mood with big bad villains with Zelda's puzzle elements than you would have a hit. The boards have heated up for a spiritual successor of Demon's Souls. Just imagine what this would do? It would do a lot more than the ridiculous attempt to throw Zelda into a Dynasty Warrior looking clone. This is a better fit. This would succeed and would help the Wii U fly off shelves. I am not saying make it hard like Demon's Souls but have a similar gameplay style mixed with Zelda's own tools.

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Whatever Nintendo does with Zelda (outside of Hyrule Warriors) I am sure it’s going to be incredible but I don't think it would push as many Wii U consoles unless it either follows in From Software's footsteps or co-develop with them. Nintendo though seems to have something multiplayer planned. It would be interesting to see considering From Software's innovative approach developing it within Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. Maybe they are taking cues from From Software. I would argue that Demon’s Souls is the most innovative multiplayer of the last generation and more games need to implement its approach making single player game co-op seamlessly transition within your own world and into others’. Zelda could take that approach and implementing it somewhat like they have co-op play in Four Swords but expanding it.  It’s not hard to notice the popularity of From Software's series and the similarities between both franchises and how they could be fused into one incredible title.

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KnightDriver

05/11/2014 at 11:27 PM

Nintendo always seems to aim at a younger audience which is why the Zelda/Dynasty Warriors mashup makes some sense. Zelda/Dark Souls would be incredibly awesome to me, but I bet they think it would target an older audience that doesn't play Wii-U. I mean, Dark Souls is rated M (17 and up) and Dynasty Warriors T (13 and up). 

Super Step Contributing Writer

05/11/2014 at 11:34 PM

To be fair, he does mention they should tone the Souls darkness down a bit. 

My contention is simply that, while this sounds awesome, I honestly don't think the market Nintendo is missing is the people that play Zeldas, so I don't know how much any new Zelda title would truthfully change Wii U sales.

KnightDriver

05/11/2014 at 11:39 PM

It will totally help Wii-U sell. Why it's not already announced for fall is just strange to me. They've got to put out Mario and Zelda games at the very least. That they're two biggest franchises.

Keegs79

05/12/2014 at 12:11 AM

You say it would help the Wii U sale but Skyward Sword sold poorly with the ratio of Wii owners. I think overall they would do well regardless how Zelda turns out. Skyward Sword sold just under 4 million. That sounds like a lot but for the caliber of Zelda, I would think it would have sold more. I don't think it would push millions of units. The only game I think could make a major impact on sales for the Wii U is Smash Bros.

KnightDriver

05/13/2014 at 02:50 AM

There are some big predictions for Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros. and they will probably move some systems. I'm shocked Zelda didn't do as well as projected for Wii. That game should move systems as well. It makes me think about it.

asrealasitgets

05/11/2014 at 11:30 PM

I made a similar kind of post on these forums comparing Dark Souls 2 to Ocarina of Time. The environments are very similar to me, and I did feel like I was playing a Zelda game minus the dungeon puzzles, but there are switches that drop bridges or open gates, but thats about as much puzzles I have seen. Nintendo sort of abandoned the core audience in favor of casuals, who are now playing on smart phones. Not only that, but Steam and PC, XBOXOne and PS4 are all providing the hard core with the games they want. Nintendo makes great Zelda games, but the Capcom games werent that bad. 

Keegs79

05/12/2014 at 12:17 AM

They talked big about reaching their this time around. This would be one way to do it. I think Nintendo is stuck by sticking with this kiddy image. Its just like Disney who moved on to make serious movies like National Treasure and such. Nintendo needs to make an arm that is going to attract gamers who want more mature complex games because yeah, they are losing them with casual titles. Most of the big successful titles these days seem to be complex and mature. Games like Dark Souls, Titanfall, Skyrim, Fallout, Assassin's Creed are way more realistic and play with mature themes. I think Nintendo needs to do that. I think there is multiple reasons why Nintendo is failing with the Wii U but that this plays a small factor.

asrealasitgets

05/12/2014 at 12:55 AM

I think Nintendo should be more like old Nintendo, and not like everyone else. If you are comparing Nintendo to Disney, it would make more sense that Nintendo bring back more older franchises in HD, just like how Disney is having a renissance with Frozen. Audiences wanted to see a Disney movie like they used to see when they were kids like with music like Lion King, Mermaid, etc. so they are being rewarded for giving fans what they want. Even Square Enix posted news about FFX, Bravely Default and A Realm Reborn succeeding expectations, which lead to speculation about a FF12 remake in HD, or a new direction to fantasy genre for FF franchise. Nintendo has a lot of classic games, char and franchises they can reintroduce in HD, but they keep making gimmicky crap. 

Rumor: There were some posts on NeoGaf and reddit about Nintendo releasing a new or revamped console hardware at E3 this year. There were some patent images for a touchpad controller with swappable directional pads and buttons or something.

Also, you should be posting Dark Souls 2 stuff on the forum as well.  

Super Step Contributing Writer

05/11/2014 at 11:32 PM

Honestly, I don't know if they'd need to outsource anything or if that would really help that much, really. They kinda just need a new Zelda proper period to sell Wii Us, but even still it's Zelda either way, which will mainly appeal to Nintendo fans. Even if From Software develops it and it's marketed as having a bit of Souls influence, I don't see that attracting non-Nintendo fans, honestly, and it's non-Nintendo fans they're not connecting with. When I say Nintendo fans, I mean the marks for their original IPs. At this point in the game, that's really not the crux of a mainstream crowd. 

I mean I'd love it, but I've only ever owned Big N consoles and handhelds. Interest outside of the "niche" (in quotes cause it's still millions of people, despite being the minority) demographic I'm in requires strong third party support outside of any established Nintendo IPs, outsourcing and co-operative development or no.

Keegs79

05/12/2014 at 12:24 AM

I completely think people who are not into Zelda would take notice and be interesting in a Wii U if From Software is behind it and puts there spin on the franchise. Demon's Souls and Dark Souls fans could easily flock to it. I agree though that Nintendo needs more new IPs that are outside their norm but Zelda is a franchise that could mix well with a mature audience if done right. I don't think it would be the answer to the Wii U to be successful but I do believe it would make for one badass game regardless of its benefits for the Wii U. Nintendo took a big chance with Metroid Prime. It paid off well. I think the same needs to happen here.

One other thing, Nintendo hasn't been great in adding communication within titles with multiplayer. I think it would be great benefit to be able to utilize the same kind of function the Demon's Souls/Dark Souls titles utilize without needing to communicate directly with voice commands.

Super Step Contributing Writer

05/12/2014 at 12:27 AM

I'm not saying it wouldn't be badass, I just don't know if it would sell Wii Us. Also, Souls fans have Souls games on other consoles, so while yes, there is probably some crossover between the two fandoms, I don't know so much about mass flocking just cause From Software is behind it. 

KnightDriver

05/11/2014 at 11:45 PM

Majora's Mask was pretty dark. Just add in some fell beasts from Dark Souls and wala, Zelda's Souls.

Julian Titus Senior Editor

05/12/2014 at 01:23 AM

I would like just about anyone besides the tired Nintendo team to take a crack at Zelda. I love the idea of a Zelda game that quits with the hand holding and makes the combat meaningful and skill-based. A Link Between Worlds was a breath of fresh air, but a Zelda game with the freedom of the original NES title and Souls-inspired combat? Sign me up. And no, it needn't be pitch black, but a slightly more serious tone wouldn't go amiss. Look at how dark the opening of Frozen is, and it resonated with a huge audience both young and old.

Casey Curran Staff Writer

05/12/2014 at 04:36 AM

I think From would be a better fit for Metroid personally. Part of Souls' charm is the atmosphere, which is much more in line with that series. Also think the structure is a lot more similar to Metroid.

KnightDriver

05/13/2014 at 02:52 AM

Yes! Metroid by From. How cool would that be!

Cary Woodham

05/12/2014 at 07:32 AM

From Software has actually made a Zelda-like game already, even more so than Dark Souls or whatever.  They made a PS3 game called 3-D Dot Game Heroes, and it was such a Zelda rip-off you'd think Nintendo would sue.  But 3-D Dot Game Heroes was also a fantastic game and love letter to everything great about 8 and 16-bit gaming.  It let you create your own character out of pixels, so it had a LEGO feel to it, too.  And since it was from From Software, there are even Armored Core references if you're a fan of that game.  So I highly recommend looking it up and giving it a try if you can.

But yeah, other companies besides Nintendo are perfectly capable of making a Zelda game.  Case in point: the two GBC Zelda games Oracle of Ages and Seasons, those were actually made by Capcom!  --Cary

SanAndreas

05/12/2014 at 02:41 PM

Nintendo's EAD team is honestly better than From Software, and this isn't really the kind of thing Zelda needs. There are  dormant Nintendo properties they'd do fine with, but Zelda isn't one of them. The combat in Souls is far too stiff for Zelda IMO. A Wii U Fire Emblem, maybe, but Intelligent Systems is more than capable of it, so again, there is no point to outsourcing. Metroid might be a good fit for them.

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